Author: Marc Perkel Date: To: Johann Steigenberger CC: exim-users Subject: Re: [exim] UCEPROTECT, APEWS and the truth about Marc Perkel
Johann Steigenberger wrote: >
> 2. UCEPROTECT lists for SAV because it is abusive.
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Yep - that's what I've been trying to tell people and he just admitted.
If you use the Sender Address Verification features of Exim then
UCEProtect will blacklist you as a spammer. So he admits what I've been
warning you about.
This raises a bigger question. Should people who advertise blacklists
that are supposed to block spammer be used for other reasons other than
blocking spammers? As everyone knows including Johann I run a spam
filtering business. So if you are running a blacklist and you know you
are blacklisting the IP addresses of your competitors knowing they
aren't spammers, what does that say about you.
UCEProtect also charges money to remove false positive from it's list.
They also deliberately listed all my servers including dummy IP MX
records I use that have never had a computer on them. So if he's going
to list me manually on his black lists then he has no standing to
complain when someone does the same to him.
Mr. Johann Steigenberger is little more than a bully who is using his
blacklist to bully Exim users so that you won't use SAV. Some people
back down from bullies and some don't. Generally I might ignore his
message but his blacklist affects all of us and as he has said, if he
doesn't like the way you filter spam his going to list you on his blacklist.
I also believe that APEWS is just a stealth copy of his own lists as
they the exactly the same positions on listing Exim users who use SAV. I
recognize the same arrogance in their policies. The are also some
strange secret society and as with UCEProtect, if you are wrongly listed
you can't get removed.
Ultimately when people who add spam filtering services to their block
list as spammers then the spammers win. And if we give into bully
tactics then the bullies win. SAV is very effective in blocking spam
especially the way Exim implements it and it is up to us to choose to
use it if we want and not up to Mr. Steigenberger to make that decision
for you.
