Re: [exim] Why do we seem(!) to have a FD leak in the daemon…

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Author: Larry Rosenman
Date:  
To: Exim users
Subject: Re: [exim] Why do we seem(!) to have a FD leak in the daemon?
On 03/26/2022 8:37 am, Larry Rosenman wrote:
> All of a sudden, I'm seeing Exim keep my home directory open a NUMBER
> of times.
> It caused me a Too Many Files open and a DOS.
>
> This is on FreeBSD:
> FreeBSD thebighonker.lerctr.org 13.1-STABLE FreeBSD 13.1-STABLE #23
> ler/freebsd13-updates-n250051-600d7e8210c: Sat Mar 19 19:19:06 CDT
> 2022
> root@???:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/LER-MINIMAL
> amd64
>
> Built from ports.
>
>
> ❯ sudo fstat -p 38848
> USER     CMD          PID   FD MOUNT      INUM MODE         SZ|DV R/W
> mailnull exim       38848 text /usr/local 2072834 -rwsr-xr-x  1439616  
> r
> mailnull exim       38848   wd /         35921 drwxr-x---       6  r
> mailnull exim       38848 root /             4 drwxr-xr-x      33  r
> mailnull exim       38848    0
> mailnull exim       38848    1 /dev         34 crw-rw-rw-    null rw
> mailnull exim       38848    2 /dev         34 crw-rw-rw-    null rw
> mailnull exim       38848    3* internet stream tcp fffffe023b40aca8
> mailnull exim       38848    4* internet stream tcp fffffe023a089000
> mailnull exim       38848    5* internet stream tcp fffffe023a08a060
> mailnull exim       38848    6* internet stream tcp fffffe0213f5b4d8
> mailnull exim       38848    7* internet stream tcp fffffe0230bc5c48
> mailnull exim       38848    8* internet stream tcp fffffe0211429830
> mailnull exim       38848    9* internet6 stream tcp fffffe02dece0890
> mailnull exim       38848   10* internet6 stream tcp fffffe0211ba2ca8
> mailnull exim       38848   11* internet6 stream tcp fffffe0210572ca8
> mailnull exim       38848   12* internet6 stream tcp fffffe0210572478
> mailnull exim       38848   13* internet6 stream tcp fffffe0230b9f000
> mailnull exim       38848   14* internet6 stream tcp fffffe0215ce0830
> mailnull exim       38848   15 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848   16 /home/ler  87981 -rw-r--r--    5755  r
> mailnull exim       38848   17 /dev        132 crw-rw-rw-  crypto rw
> mailnull exim       38848   18 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848   19 /home/ler  87980 -rw-r--r--    1675  r
> mailnull exim       38848   20 /         14550 drwxr-xr-x       8  r
> mailnull exim       38848   21 /usr/local 165653 drwxr-xr-x       7  r
> mailnull exim       38848   22 /usr/local 2370056 -rw-r--r--  710164  r
> mailnull exim       38848   23 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
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> mailnull exim       38848  795 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  796 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  797 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
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> mailnull exim       38848  800 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  801 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  802 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  803 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
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> mailnull exim       38848  806 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  807 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  808 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  809 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  810 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  811 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  812 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  813 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  814 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  815 /home/ler  87976 drwxr-xr-x       9  r
> mailnull exim       38848  816 /home/ler  87981 -rw-r--r--    5755  r


quick followup:
the only reference to my home directory is for my LE Certificate, key,
et al, in
some transports, etc.

-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-642-9640                 E-Mail: ler@???
US Mail: 5708 Sabbia Dr, Round Rock, TX 78665-2106