This all sounds remarkably familiar ...
These UCEPROTECT people don't happen to be in Australia outfit run by a
megalomaniac who's name I forget (sorry)
We had an argument when I worked at a tier 1 network. He blocked a whole
/19 address range because he couldn't use RIPE and refused to back down
so I blocked his entire range on the all advertised points
after his business hosting customers could not get to anywhere in Europe
anymore, he backed down.
I must say it was nice to have BGP argue for me since e-mail wasn't working.
Last I heard he had gone bust
Wish I could remember his name
Sorry for the off topic
Hill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Eiloart" <iane@???>
To: "Zbigniew Szalbot" <zbyszek@???>; "UCEPROTECT-Network
Blacklistmaster of the day" <blacklistmaster@???>
Cc: <exim-users@???>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [exim] UCEPROTECT Blacklists and why callouts are abusive
>
>
> --On 17 October 2006 16:42:50 +0200 Zbigniew Szalbot
> <zbyszek@???> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, UCEPROTECT-Network Blacklistmaster of the day wrote:
>>
>>> As we explained on our website, we consider callouts abusive, because
>>> they can make your system part of an ddos against others.
>>
>> That's in theory but I have my system setup in such a way that I do not
>> use callouts. However, you are blocking my server lists.lc-words.com:
>>
>> TXT= "Net 83.19.0.0/16 is Level 3 listed at UCEPROTECT-Network. See
>> http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=7&s=8"
>
> To be fair, they do recommend that users don't block at level 3.
>
> I still think their listing criteria are dumb. The seem to use three
> techniques:
>
> 1. People who bounce viruses with warning messages (actually, that's
> fine).
>
> 2. People who use SRS. I'd like to use it for local people that ask to get
> email forwarded from their local (sussex.ac.uk) address to a personal
> address. I don't see how SRS can harm anyone when I do this. Perhaps such
> email would never hit their honeypots, though.
>
> 3. People using sender verification callouts. They seem to think it's as
> bad as sending email, but my sender verification callouts don't fill
> mailboxes or server queues. And, they do stop lots of spam.
>
>> Problem is my server is 83.19.156.210 so you are blocking me and a whole
>> IP range and it has NOTHING to do with callouts, sir.
>>
>> We have never sent a single spam and yet we have been blocked. Can you
>> explain? Maybe others in the *.0.0/16 IP range have sent millions of spam
>> emails, but we have not.
>>
>> In order to keep in touch with customers who requested information from
>> us I daily have to deal with people like you, people blocking others
>> without putting any thought into what you are doing.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Zbigniew Szalbot
>
>
>
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> Ian Eiloart
> IT Services, University of Sussex
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