SPEWS may be extreme, but it is far from trash, if nothing else they have
managed to leverage several large hosting companys into changing their
attitude toward spammers. Frankly it is an imperfect solution to a virtually
insurmountable problem, and their approach does guarantee a measure of
collateral damage, but it is about the only thing that works. Until we can
start legally throwing the book at these spamming pariah anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli" <eli@???>
To: "'Mike Meredith'" <mike.meredith@???>; "'Margrit Lottmann'"
<Margrit.Lottmann@???>
Cc: <exim-users@???>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Exim] rbl server spews...
> SPEWS is nearly impossible to get removed from. I work for a very large
web
> hosting company, and they have black listed practically all our ips
because
> of ONE client who hosted with us about 2-3 years ago and spammed. We
caught
> them shortly after receiving some complaints and instantly closed their
> accounts. We have tried contacting the SPEWS folk, but the *only* way
they
> let you contact them is via public news groups - fine if they actually
read
> them!
>
> Anyways, several years later and our ips are still blocked and we never
hear
> a word from anyone at SPEWS about any of the posts we put in their forums,
> so we just gave up and tell anyone who complains about us being blocked
that
> SPEWS is trash and there's nothing we can do (which we can't).
>
> This is why I really hate when people deny connections/emails based on
> remotely maintained RBL lists - at most you should use something like
> spamassasin and just give it a weight of some sort, but still deliver the
> message. Let the end user filter out the spam from the real stuff. If
not,
> it's just like your postman/woman throwing out some of your mail that they
> think is garbage, before you even get to see any of it! I'm sure you
> wouldn't want that happening, even if it was just garbage!
>
> Eli.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: exim-users-admin@??? [mailto:exim-users-admin@exim.org] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Meredith
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:57 AM
> To: Margrit Lottmann
> Cc: exim-users@???
> Subject: Re: [Exim] rbl server spews...
>
>
> On Thursday 19 June 2003 16:27, Margrit Lottmann wrote:
> > He wrote that spews.relays.osirusoft.com is an unserious
> > rbl checker ????
> > Has anybody also such negative results with that server???
>
> SPEWS certainly is a serious RBL, but it intentionally blocks 'innocent'
> bystanders to encourage ISP's who have a lax attitude towards getting
> rid of spammers to change their act.
>
> If you use it, you can expect to get complaints from listed people about
> being listed. I generally whitelist their addresses (after checking
> they aren't spammers) and explain why they might want to talk to their
> ISP about spammers.
>
>
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