Re: [Exim] local_scan interface discussion

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Lähettäjä: Peter N Lewis
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Aihe: Re: [Exim] local_scan interface discussion
At 20:43 -0500 14/7/02, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:

>o   Treat the local_scan the same way other (dynamic) libraries, such
>     as libldap or libpg, are treated.  Let the system's dynamic linker
>     deal with loading the local scan library at runtime.

>
>     Cons:
>         o   only allows a single liblocal_scan to be installed at any
>             time (AFAIK)


One simple way to deal with this is simply to allow a small but not 1
number of these, ie:

liblocal_scan1
liblocal_scan2
liblocal_scan3
liblocal_scan4

It could even be a make option as to how many you want with a
reasonable default of 2-4.

It adds a little user complexity in installing them, but a tool to
"install" a local_scan which copies it in to a spare "slot" and
remembers the names of the items installed in each slot for easy
removal/overwrite would be pretty trivial.

>o   Create an interface that leverages existing IPC mechanisms such as
>     pipes, UNIX Domain Sockets (these are the same as fifos and named
>     pipes, right?), or TCP sockets to communicate with a scanner.  The
>     scanner would be a separate, complete, application.


>     Cons:
>         o   Requires creating a new protocol.
>             (or beating an existing one (maybe LMTP or BSMTP) into a
>              shape suitable for this use)
>         o   Could be complex.


Very complex for the local scan author - a quick look at the
local_scan.h shows the kinds of things you'd have to potentially
write:

Header & Recipient list processing
Child handling
logging and debugging
memory management for strings

>     Comments:
>         o   The complexity of creating and implementing a new protocol
>             can be minimized by devising a sufficiently simple
>             protocol.
>         o   If this mechanism is chosen, then additional discussion on
>             the merits of each IPC mechanism and protocol choices will
>             need to follow.


The protocol could be simple enough, just dump down tagged data, but
handling that for the local_scan author would be a pain. Plus what
are you going to do with the actual message data - send that whole
lot down through the pipe and back again?

>     Additional Data:
>         One idea I had for this is using a pipe.  exim would open a
>         pipe to the specified scanner program.  The message would be
>         passed to the scanner on stdin.  The exit code from the
>         scanner program would determine what exim should do with it --
>         accept, tempreject, permreject.  If the scanner rejects the
>         message, its output would be the message to return to the
>         other server.  Otherwise its output would specify how the
>         message should be modified (namely adding or modifying
>         headers).  The format of the header modification text is a
>         detail that can be worked out later.


You'd also need to send the extra data like recipients and senders
and protocol and authentication and such. The local_scan author
would potentially have to parse the headers, and then figure out a
way to support debugging and logging and such. Plus it would be
rather a large extra amount of processing power, especially for large
messages.

>o Use libdl (dlopen, dlsym) to load an admin-specified .so.
>
>     Pros:
>         o   doesn't require a lot of code
>         o   an initial implementation is already available
>         o   the scanner API is almost identical to the current one
>         o   no new protocols need to be devised

>
>     Cons:
>         o   C is (very apparently) not well suited for dynamic programs
>         o   the libdl API doesn't provide any type checking the way
>             the C compiler does (or the way python does for "dynamic"
>             modules)
>         o   This makes it easy for an admin to shoot a 3-sided hole in
>             exim.  If a bad .so is specified (accidentally or
>             maliciously), exim _could_ have a hard time handling it
>             gracefully.  It will more than likely crash if the ABI
>             checking doesn't catch the mismatch.


Agreed, although the simplicity of this approach would seem to make
it the best solution (or alternatively the approach of just using a
fixed number of local_scans, which would have the advantage of
working without dynamic loading on systems that might not support
this).

Enjoy,
    Peter.


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