On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote:
> Thanks so much for your reply. I'll go to work on it as soon as I get a few
> hours of sleep
>
> I do not work for Microsoft. I simply have an account with msn and want to
> use that ISP to send mail to a list from Linux
>
> Any further comments or advice would be most welcome
You want to host a list, or you want to send mail to a list that
already exists? In order to host a list at the 'free.email.msn.com'
domain, you would need the owner of the 'msn.com' domain to coorperate
with you to make entries in their DNS in order for it to work. You
would either need to have your server on and connected to the Internet
24 hours a day, or have some sort of store and forward arrangement
(Which would work, but not very well)
If you just want to send mail to a list, you should not need to
configure or even operate an email server such as Exim. You should just
use some email client program (In Linix, Netscape Communicator would
probably be the easiest to setup - it works mostly like the MSWindows
version.)
If ou just want to let your Linux server function as a sort of smart
'client', I would check in your Outlook Express client in Windows to
find out what your 'outgoing mail server is', then use that in the
smarthost entry in Exim. Assuming you have a POP3 account with MSN, you
could theoretically use a program called fetchmail to retrieve mail
from that account and deliver it to the unix mailbox to be read
locally..
In any case 'free.email.msn.com' doesn't exist as an Internet mail
address at all right now, and there is no way you can make it exist
without cooperation from the domain administrator at msn.com - who may
be a very difficult person to get in touch with - and isn't likely to
have any motivation to just create msn.com subdomains for random
customers - their tech support people will definately NOT be able to
help you with that.
You may want to find a local unix guru to help you out. If you are
using Exim, your best luck would be to find someone on this list that
was geographically near you that would be willing to help. Post a rough
idea of your location and see if anyone offers ;) I am located in West
Michigan to answer the obvious next question..
Unix and Exim are fairly powerful and technically advanced server tools
that arent ordinarily designed for non-technical end-users.
Unfortunately, MSN is a service not setup with advanced users in mind
(In fact, most of Microsoft's offerings are targeted at the lowest
common denominator, and generally don't do much for technically savvy
folk - which is why we prefer Linux/Unix/etc) - It might also be worth
looking for a local, unix-based ISP to switch to. Their administrators
stand a very good chance of being able to help you (now wether they
would have any time available to do so is another question)
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave C." <djc@???>
> To: "davidturetsky" <davidturetsky@???>
> Cc: "exim-users" <exim-users@???>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Exim] New exim user
>
>
> >
> > Ok, upon further testing their appears to be no address for
> > 'email.msn.com' either. It appears you are using OutLook Express, and
> > it uses outbound SMTP for sending mail. Check the setting for 'outgoing
> > mail server' under Tools/Accounts/Mail/Properties/Servers.. Whatever is
> > set there should be what you use in your smarthost router below..
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Dave C. wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are in fact a customer of MSN and not working from them, and you
> > > need to use their 'outgoing mail server' (which you probably do, and is
> > > called smarthosting), then it appears from your mail headers the
> > > 'email.msn.com' is the correct host.. See below for exactly where to
> > > put that..
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Dave C. wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See comments inline in your config file..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > When I run exim -bt davidturetsky@???
> > > > >
> > > > > I get:
> > > > >
> > > > > david@
> > > > > <---davidturetsky@???
> > > > > deliver to david@
> > > > > router-smarthost, transport=remote_smtp
> > > > > host msn.com [207.46.176.152]
> > > > > host msn.com [207.46.185.39]
> > > > >
> > > > > I added in 'email' to the address and a similar entry to resolv.conf
> (as
> > > > > well as smtp.email.msn.com)
> > > > >
> > > > > Rerunning the attempt to flush the spool with the domain
> nomenclature change
> > > > > to @email.msn.com or @smtp.msn.com produced the same result as
> originally
> > > > > posted
> > > > >
> > > > > I made a few modifications to exim.conf (which follows):
> > > > >
> > > > > added entry for local_domains=free:email.msn.com (for list
> application)
> > > > >
> > > > > removed entry after qualify_domain = (leaving rhs blank)
> > > > >
> > > > > added .com to route_list in smarthost section (to resolve 'lookup of
> host
> > > > > "msn" failed in smarthost router')
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is exim.conf, with most comments removed (except pending
> section for
> > > > > mailing list)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > # See my comment below, this is the MAIN config section
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > qualify_domain =
> > > > > local_domains = free:email.msn.com
> > > > > local_domains_include_host = true
> > > > > local_domains_include_host_literals = true
> > > > > never_users = root
> > > > > host_lookup_nets = 0.0.0.0/0
> > > > > sender_host_reject_relay = *
> > > > > trusted_users = mail
> > > > > smtp_verify = false
> > > > > gecos_pattern = ^([^,:]*)
> > > > > gecos_name = $1
> > > > >
> > > > > received_header_text = "Received: \
> > > > > ${if def:sender_fullhost {from ${sender_fullhost} \
> > > > > ${if def:sender_ident {(${sender_ident})}}\n\t}\
> > > > > {${if def:sender_ident {from ${sender_ident} }}}}\
> > > > > by ${primary_hostname} \
> > > > > ${if def:received_protocol {with ${received_protocol}}} \
> > > > > (Exim ${version_number} #${compile_number} (Debian))\n\t\
> > > > > id ${message_id}"
> > > > > end
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > # See my comment below, this is the TRANSPORTS config section
> > > >
> > > > > local_delivery:
> > > > > driver = appendfile
> > > > > group = mail
> > > > > mode = 0660
> > > > > mode_fail_narrower = false
> > > > > file = /var/spool/mail/${local_part}
> > > > >
> > > > > address_pipe:
> > > > > driver = pipe
> > > > > return_output
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > address_file:
> > > > > driver = appendfile
> > > > >
> > > > > address_directory:
> > > > > driver = appendfile
> > > > > no_from_hack
> > > > > prefix = ""
> > > > > suffix = ""
> > > > >
> > > > > address_reply:
> > > > > driver = autoreply
> > > > >
> > > > > remote_smtp:
> > > > > driver = smtp
> > > > >
> > > > > end
> > > >
> > > > # See my comment below this is the DIRECTORS section
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > real_local:
> > > > > prefix = real-
> > > > > driver = localuser
> > > > > transport = local_delivery
> > > > >
> > > > > system_aliases:
> > > > > driver = aliasfile
> > > > > file = /etc/aliases
> > > > > search_type = lsearch
> > > > >
> > > > > userforward:
> > > > > driver = forwardfile
> > > > > no_verify
> > > > > check_ancestor
> > > > > file = .forward
> > > > > modemask = 002
> > > > > filter
> > > > >
> > > > > localuser:
> > > > > driver = localuser
> > > > > transport = local_delivery
> > > > >
> > > > > end
> > > >
> > > > # See my comment below, this is the ROUTERS section
> > > >
> > > > > smarthost:
> > > > > driver = domainlist
> > > > > transport = remote_smtp
> > > > > route_list = "* msn.com bydns_a"
> > > >
> > >
> > > Change 'msn.com' to be 'email.msn.com' in this line. That will at least
> > > get your outgoing mail working.
> > >
> > > It wont do anything for free.email.msn.com, which wont work without
> > > some arrangements with the MSN.COM mail/dns administrators. (Which they
> > > probably wont do unless you either pay them for the subdomain, or
> > > unless you are setting this up on their behalf)
> > >
> > >
> > > > ^^^
> > > > Here's the problem. You are telling exim to take all remote mail, and
> > > > smarthost it to the host 'msn.com' - the problem is that that host is
> > > > not running an MTA at port 25. Perhaps you should be using
> smtp.msn.com
> > > > or something like that?
> > > >
> > > > If you are an administrator at msn.com, do you really need this
> machine
> > > > to smarthost mail to another, or could it just deliver mail
> > > > normally? If it needs to smarthost, I would think you would know what
> > > > machine the smarthost was (and it definately isn't 'msn.com')
> > > >
> > > > If you aren't an administrator, do you have some arrangement with them
> > > > to transmit mail for free.email.msn.com to your server? If not, then
> it
> > > > won't be delivered to you, so unless this is something you are
> > > > implenting on a private network it wont serve any useful purpose. I
> > > > will note that there currently isn't and record in the DNS for that
> > > > domain.
> > > >
> > > > If you are receiving mail for just one address at that domain and want
> > > > to filter your incoming mail by address, you arent really using the
> > > > right tool - you should use filters or procmail or a MUA-based tool.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > end
> > > > > * * F,2h,15m; G,16h,2h,1.5; F,4d,8h
> > > > >
> > > > > end
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The entire below are in the wrong config file section. This is the
> > > > 'retry' section. This appears to be a director, and should be in the
> > > > appropriately commented section (The comments in the config file
> > > > normally indicate which is which - I've added notes here so you can
> > > > tell which is which..
> > > >
> > > > > # Handle mail to free@???
> > > > >
> > > > > #lists:
> > > > > # driver = forwardfile
> > > > > # domains = free.email.msn.com
> > > > > # no_more
> > > > > # require_files = /etc/exim/lists/${local_part}
> > > > > # file = /etc/exim/lists/${local_part}
> > > > > # no_check_local_user
> > > > > # errors_to = #{local_part}-request
> > > > >
> > > > > end
> > > > >
> > > > > # End of Exim configuration file
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Philip Hazel" <ph10@???>
> > > > > To: "davidturetsky" <davidturetsky@???>
> > > > > Cc: "exim-users" <exim-users@???>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:48 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Exim] New exim user
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am trying to make first use of exim to handle a list
> application and
> > > > > have queued a few messages using elm and exim as a test. These
> messages and
> > > > > a bunch of mail from vim were sitting seemingly stuck at
> /var/spool/exim. I
> > > > > deleted the vim messages and following notes from the exim website,
> issued:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /usr//sbin/exim -d9 -M 13MhR6-00007I-00 and got the following
> output:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > remote_smpt transport entered
> > > > > > > davidturetsky@???
> > > > > > > locked /var/spool/exim/db/retry.lockfile
> > > > > > > opened DB file /var/spool/exim/db/retry: flags=0
> > > > > > > dbfn_read key=T:msn.com: 207.46.176.152
> > > > > > > no retry record
> > > > > > > msn.com [207.46.176.152] status=usable
> > > > > > > delivering 13MhR6-00007I-00 to msn.com [207.46.176.152]
> > > > > (davidturetsky@???)
> > > > > > > set_process_info: 204 2.05 delivering 13MhR6-00007I-00 to
> msn.com
> > > > > [207.46.176.152] (davidturetsky@???)
> > > > > > > Connecting to msn.com [207.46.176.152] ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and then the system seemingly is sitting there accepting tty
> input
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is 207.46.176.152 a running system? I cannot ping it from here.
> Did you
> > > > > > modify the default configuration? I see that msn.com has lots of
> MX
> > > > > > records pointing to hosts *other* than msn.com [207.46.176.152].
> Maybe
> > > > > > that host doesn't listen. What does
> > > > > >
> > > > > > exim -bt davidturetsky@???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > say? For me, it says
> > > > > >
> > > > > > davidturetsky@???
> > > > > > deliver to davidturetsky@???
> > > > > > router = lookuphost, transport = smtp
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe07.msn.com [207.46.181.46] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe10.msn.com [207.46.181.47] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe09.msn.com [207.46.181.40] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe04.msn.com [207.46.181.25] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe12.msn.com [207.46.181.59] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe13.msn.com [207.46.181.61] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe06.msn.com [207.46.181.45] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe11.msn.com [207.46.181.56] MX=30
> > > > > > host cpimssmtpe08.msn.com [207.46.181.39] MX=30
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note: it does not include the host you refer to.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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