On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Philip Hazel wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Tomas Fasth wrote:
>
> > The point is, once all MTAs does the same thing, presentation will
> > improve on MUAs as well.
>
> Agreed.
>
> I have probably neglected this issue for too long. However, there have
> been plenty of other things to do. As I announced the other day, I think
> I should start to work towards a new release once I get back from
> holiday, and this issue requires too much thought to be considered for
> that release. However, once that is all over - and I have done some work
> on PCRE which is pending - I will try to get back to this whole bounce
> message area and make some proposals. I guess that is likely to be in
> the first quarter of 2000, but time has a way of running away...
>
> It will probably be hard to work out proposals that keep everybody
> (fairly) happy, but it should be tried.
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> > "Your message didn't get delivered as well as you might've hoped. Here's why
> > http://mta.mycom.tld/oops.cgi?lang=en&code=552&msgid="
>
> I'm sorry. That would annoy me. Why not *tell* me what happened rather
> than indirect me to a (remote) web server that may be down. Contrary to
> the general way the world is going, I don't always have a browser
> running.
>
> > I meet people who don't see a single use for HTML or non-ASCII in email
> > either. Baffling isn't it?
>
> I have to react to that. I see no use for HTML or non-ASCII in email
> *when used as a medium for correspondence*. I have no problem with
> sending attachments in any form you might want, but if you just want to
> send some text to somebody I don't see the point of wrapping it up into
> some fancy format, except that it uses more bandwidth and therefore
> makes more money for somebody, I guess. Cynical? me? well, yes :-)
I hope this doesnt sound like a "me too", but I have to agree with Phil
here. I really HATE it when I ask someone to send me some information,
and they send it in a proprietary word processor or spreadsheet format,
when the information could have been conveyed in plain text. I too use
pine on unix, and its really annoying when someone just assumes
everyone has MS-Word or MS-Excel, or reads their mail with an MSIE
embedded application. HTML is for the web - not email.
>
> Sending, on every message, a fancy "business card" in HTML with a logo
> that makes it many times bigger than the actual message is particularly
> annoying. I read my email using Pine on Unix. I now never bother to look
> at gratuitous attachments in HTML (or anything else, for that matter).
> [It's different if the message says "here's an attached
> document/webpage/binary for your attention".]
>
> I'm probably an old-fashioned dinosaur (having been around rather a long
> time), but I don't like complexity just for the sake of it.
>
>
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