Johann Steigenberger wrote:
> "Wanabe-womanizer" Marc Perkel gaggled:
>
You probably know that personal attacks are not permitted on this list.
So if you're going to be part of a discussion you have to play by the rules.
>
>> If you use the Sender Address Verification features of Exim then
>> UCEProtect will blacklist you as a spammer. So he admits what I've been
>> warning you about.
>>
>
> This has nothing to do with Exim.
> If you do SAV you are an Abuser.
> If you hit an UCEPROTECT-Trap out there with an SAV you got listed.
> No matter who or what you are or what you are using.
>
Right - that's exactly what I said. If you are an Exim user and you use
the SAV feature then UCEProtect will blacklist you as a spammer.
>
>> UCEProtect also charges money to remove false positive from it's list.
>>
>
> That is complete nonsense.
> I never had a problem to public say "sorry" if we had listed someone
> accidently.
> This happend exactly 2 times in the last 6 years.
>
>
Not acording to this news froup.
http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
> You were not accidently listed.
>
I know - I was deliberately listed.
>
>> to list me manually on his black lists then he has no standing to
>> complain when someone does the same to him.
>>
>
> That is what reflects your personality:
> "Oh these bad UCEPROTECT guys have listed my IP's , so lets list them too
> :-)"
> That leads to the question how old are you ? 3 or 4 ....
> Search for a Kindergarden in your area...
>
>
Yep - if you know I'm a spam filtering service and you list me in your
black list knowing that then I'm going to list you in my black list for
listing me. As they say, turn about is fair play. You manually listed my
IP addresses in your block list and I manually entered your IP address
in my block list. Since you did it to me then why is it wrong for me to
do it to you?
There's some people who you can bully and some people you can't. I don't
think coming here and telling Exim users that you are going to blacklist
anyone who uses SAV or sends bounce notifications is a good idea. I
don't think Exim users are going to respond to your threats.
When you blacklist people who you know are not spammers on a spam block
list then that is dishonest and it's an attack on the innocent. You show
up here attacking not only me but you are threatening the entire Exim
community. You have stated that you will list anyone who either uses
sender address verification or sends bounce messages. So if a spammer
spoofs one of your spam traps and it creates a bounce, the bounce will
get you listed.
Consider this. I'm in the spam filtering business. Suppose someone using
a comcast account sends a spam message to someone who I filter for. The
spammer uses an email address that is in your spam trap. Here's what
happens. Comcast connects to my server and my server rejects the message
at connect because I determine it is spam. Then comcast generates a
bounce message because I refused the spam and the comcast server gets
blacklisted in your spammers list because they send a bounce message to
your trap. The Comcast has to pay you ransom to get delisted.
